Tequilas at 3.00am with Oliver Stone and More, with Deb Brown

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I think we should all do that kind of thing, is be a little more positive.

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And if you want to extend it, you could be more positive to your friends, too.

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So when you hear them say that in whatever environment, whether it's online

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or in person, just stop them and say, hey, you know what you just said is not true. You're fine.

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There's nothing wrong with you. And just begin to have that conversation because

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people don't notice when they say these things.

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Hi, and welcome to 5 Random Questions, a show of unexpected questions and unfiltered answers.

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I'm your host, Danny Brown, and each week I'll be asking my guests 5 questions

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created by a random question generator.

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The guests have no idea what the questions are, and neither do I,

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which means this could go either way.

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So sit back, relax, and let's dive into this week's episode.

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Today's guest is Deb Brown. Deb is a dynamic, small-term advocate and community

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development expert with extensive experience empowering rural communities.

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Deb is also the author of From Possibilities to Reality.

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Save your small term with these uniquely doable ideas, projects, and success stories.

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A comprehensive workout filled with practical strategies and real-world examples

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for small-town revitalization.

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So, Deb, cuz, welcome to Five Random Questions.

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Thank you, and I'm so happy to be here. I'm super happy to have you here.

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And I mentioned cuz there. Obviously, we're not related, but we have this on.

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We've known each other for years now.

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We've got this sort of ongoing, which I think you initiated, actually.

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Probably. We've got the same initials, same last name, obviously.

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So there's a lot of, you know, a lot of overarching connection there, I feel.

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And because it's just like, it seems funny to say because to a guest on the podcast.

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And she's not really your cousin, but that's okay. You feel like a cousin,

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you know, we're in touch with each other, follow what each other's doing.

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You know, like cousins would do. We just don't get together very often in person.

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Exactly. Which we should try and remedy in 2026. Good idea. And as I mentioned

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in your bio there in the introduction, obviously, you're a huge advocate for small towns.

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And as someone who moved back in 2019 from a very large city to a small rural

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village in Ontario, Canada, I know myself the difference of mindset that we had to adopt as family.

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So for you, because obviously you're very passionate about small towns,

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what is it? And this isn't part of your random questions. I'm just really curious.

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What is about small towns in particular that makes you so passionate?

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Well, I was born and raised on a farm in Iowa, and I'm just a rural advocate

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because I live there and I do the kind of work that involves making our rural towns more powerful.

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It's so great to know your neighbors, to be able to do things together.

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There's good and bad to that, of course, but you got to look for the good,

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right? And most small towns are close enough to a larger city that you can still

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experience those huge symphonies and those great art things.

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There's benefits to both, right? But I'm going to tell you to live in a small

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town because you are a bigger fish in a smaller pond.

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And you have the opportunity to be more involved and to make a difference in

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the community that you live in much more than you do in a big city.

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I know when we first moved here, and like I say, it took us,

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we'd always lived in a big city.

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My wife and I lived in Toronto for a bit, and then a city just a little bit

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smaller than Toronto when the kids came along until they got a little bit older,

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which, you know, made us want to move to a quieter place.

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And we first moved up here, it was in the winter, so it was like completely

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unexpected for us, really cold.

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But one of the neighbours on Christmas Eve went round the whole village,

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handing out a homemade putty jam, which I thought was amazing.

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And she does that every year now you know we expect to see

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sharon now she'll come and sharon's amazing she's like so

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community minded as well um if someone's got an accident

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she'll take care of the yard or more you know below the

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snow all that kind of stuff so yeah it feels like

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there's um and like you say there's good and bad but it feels like

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there's a you have to look out for each other in a small term because

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you're you can you can't be cut off i guess at times yeah you

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do and you know you have children and the

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opportunities for them to be more involved in their

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activities at school but also in the community are

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greater and it's safer

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generally small towns are safer than your bigger cities so

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you don't feel so bad telling the kids yeah go ahead and play with the neighbor

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across the street and worry about them being kidnapped right those things matter

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yeah and I agree that's one of the reasons we moved was you know the city we

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lived in felt safe but We knew that when two young kids.

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You know, we appreciate where we are now and they appreciate it now.

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They didn't at first, they hated it because we were taken away from their school

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friends and everything.

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But they're really, they're super glad where we live now to be like that because of that very reason.

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And speaking of very reasons, there's a very specific reason that you're on

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the show today. And that's to answer five random questions.

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So, Deb, are you ready for the random question generator to be brought up on

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screen? I am. I sure hope so. Yeah.

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Alrighty, let's have a look and bring it up for us.

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Okay. Here we go then, Deb. Question number one. If you're in a circus, what would your job be?

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Oh, I'd be in charge of marketing. In charge of marketing?

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Yep. I'd be in charge of marketing because I'm not going to play with lions

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or climb high ropes or swing from something.

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But I'm really pretty good at doing advance notice for small towns along the way.

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Circuses travel usually and everything.

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People want to go, but they have to know about it. And, you know,

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the old way in doing it, of course, is newspapers and press releases, that kind of thing.

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But there's so much more opportunity by using online tools to let people know

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about the things that you're doing and how they can participate.

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So, yeah, I'd be in charge of marketing.

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And one of the things, I mean, we don't really see circuses where we live.

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Like I say, we're really rural. so it's probably too much effort to try to bring

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that amount of equipment etc to us.

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There's towns nearby that have fairs but I don't think I've seen circus do you

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think circuses are still,

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like a valid entertainment, if that's the right word entertainment thing with

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obviously there's the pushback about treatment of animals and you know how it's

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not quite for whatever reason not quite the thing it used to be maybe 10, 20,

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30 years ago I guess So the Cirque du Soleil has made a huge difference on how

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people look at circuses.

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It's more acrobatics than it is animals, yet they're still animals.

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Barnum and Bailey are, I think, in Florida. They travel from the Midwest down to Florida till winter.

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And I remember going to see them

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from my little small town the folks took us to see

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them along the way the trains going through I don't

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know if they still do that or not but the masons and the different organizations

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will often sponsor a small circus to help raise money for kids so for that yeah

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I think they're valuable and it is great entertainment it's you know always money right?

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How can they pay for it? So that's the question to resolve.

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Yeah. And I think maybe, I don't know, I was probably a teen,

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I believe. I don't think our kids have ever been to a circus.

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That's how, you know, unusual it is, I guess. When the question popped up,

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they were thinking, oh, circuses, that's cool.

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It's unusual because I don't think our kids, our son's 15, our daughter's 13.

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And I don't think they've been to a circus, been to a zoo, and they've been

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to like wildlife resorts, but not a circus.

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And again, I don't know if that's because of where we live, or it's just,

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it's one of these things, like you say, it's changed so much now that what you

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might have thought of circuses back in the day isn't quite what would be expected today, right?

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And I don't know enough about how circuses are viewed in Canada.

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So now you've given me something to think about and go check out as well.

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I would imagine they still have them.

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Get your kids to a circus. Absolutely, if you can get close to one, right?

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Yeah yeah well and that's it i mean like i said i went to

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one when i was younger much younger than i am now a long time

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ago um and i did i really enjoyed it it was amazing it's

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like the sights the sounds the noises and going

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up to the animals afterwards you know meeting the people it was just really it

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was amazing so yeah it'd be great i know like our kids are

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my daughter especially so into animals

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and adventures and nature um i

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think she'd love it my son's a bit more techie and

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sports oriented so he might enjoy it less

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but I feel my daughter would have could you know find one like you say and you

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mentioned obviously because of you you wouldn't want to face on a lion or a

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tiger you wouldn't want to ride elephants or anything would you want to be maybe

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the person that shoots someone out the cannon no no you still don't trust yourself to.

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I'm opposed to using any kind of firearm personally.

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What people make on their own decisions about hunting or legal things is,

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you know, that's on them.

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It's just not something I would want to do.

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Okay, well, that's fair enough. I mean, I know I'd like to, you know,

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there's some choice people I'd like to fire out a cannon, but I hear you on that.

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So I feel that's a nice, easy way to ease into the five questions today, Deb.

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So let's have a look and see what comes up for question number two.

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Question two. Yeah, let's go with this one, Deb. Question two.

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Do you ever talk to yourself?

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And as a sort of bonus question to this, what do you say? All the time.

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Of course I do. I recently injured my arm by falling on it.

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So now when I take the dog out for a walk, the first thing I say is, pick up your feet, Deb.

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Pick up your feet, Deb. So I can't remember to pick them up.

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And I do have a little chihuahua, Shirley. You may or may not hear her later.

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I now just talk to her, but I'm really talking to myself.

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You know, So we process so much negative talk to ourselves without even thinking about it.

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So I believe it's important to listen to the things that you do say to yourself

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and stop that negativity and just say, hey, no, no, you're okay.

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Like some women will look in the mirror and go, gosh, I'm fat. That's not good.

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Look in the mirror and say, you know, I'm looking pretty good today, right?

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It does something to your brain

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when you focus on the positive and it's good for your health as well.

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So, yeah, keep talking to yourself. I bet you do too. Oh, yeah,

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lots because no one will speak to me otherwise.

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Maybe we are related. No, just kidding. No, no, because of where we are.

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I work 100% remote. My wife does as well. The kids are at school,

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et cetera. So I think when I speak to myself, it's more about confirming that

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I've done something right.

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So I've been doing something for work or whatever, or I've made a decision that

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affects the kids and their opportunities to go to college down the years or

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whatever that might look like. I think it's more about validation that I did

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the right thing. Excellent.

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But it's an interesting point you raised about the positivity aspect,

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because it's easy, like online especially, it's easy to get sucked into toxic and negativity.

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In our traits and arguments and all that stuff,

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and that can take obviously an impact on us as people and if no one's telling

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you positive things it can take you down a dark path and I think it's like you say,

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it's important but do you feel it's because we're so used to negativity and

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people saying you must have something wrong with you if you're talking to yourself

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do you think that puts us off being more open to personal inner dialogue?

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Well, I think age has something to do with it.

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When I was in my 20s, you didn't talk to yourself because people thought you were crazy.

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And then the advent of the cell phone, when we first started seeing people walking

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down the street talking to themselves because they had earbuds in, right?

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Everybody's like, who's he talking to? What? And that took a minute to get used to.

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So we're familiar with having conversations with other people.

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But it turns into conversations with yourself, right?

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Facebook is notorious for having spammers or whatever.

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They want to stir the pot and talk about politics, for example.

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So I'll read a post and then I go right by it and I tell myself,

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look at that. You went right by it and you didn't respond to it. Good for you, Deb.

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Because I'd like to respond, but it doesn't do me any good.

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So just giving myself a pat on the back helps me more than it helps anybody.

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But I think we should all do that kind of thing, is be a little more positive.

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And if you want to extend it, you could be more positive to your friends too.

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So when you hear them say that in whatever environment, whether it's online

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or in person, just stop them and say, hey, you know what you just said is not true.

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You're fine. There's nothing wrong with you.

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And just begin to have that conversation because people don't notice when they say these things.

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It's really true. I watched, there's a really good snippet, and I'll try to

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find the link to it, like a YouTube video.

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It's just like a short one, and I'll drop it in the show notes so listeners can check it out.

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There's a basketball player, Nate Riggs, maybe, I think. I don't know.

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I don't know basketball.

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His first name is Nate. But anyway, so seemingly this basketball player has

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a lot of people that don't like him for whatever reason.

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So he was getting interviewed after a game and a female reporter asked him about the game.

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But the way she approached it was she was paying him compliments about what

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he was doing and how he was doing it, which was, you could tell he wasn't used

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to hearing that because he sat up and his immediate attention was on the lady reporter.

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And it's like you say, I feel we get so much negativity thrown at us by the by.

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When someone takes the time, like you just mentioned, Deb, about sending it

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to your friends or even a professional athlete who you're talking to,

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when you put kindness and positivity out of the way, it does make them stop and take notice.

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And I feel that has been lost a little bit because of, you know,

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we know negative news stories get all the clicks online, for example.

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Yeah. And people like you and me that do work from home and we're alone often. Right.

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It's very easy to get lost in that avenue

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of negativity and not taking care of yourself you know learning positive thinking

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and and putting index cards around the house with something positive on it why

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not because you have that's that's personal health you you want to take care

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of your own health first and we we're not very good at that either.

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Yeah, no, I know we used to put little notes, little post-it notes in the kids' lunchboxes.

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So they go to school and get just like a little message, like you say.

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And we stopped that when they got a bit older because they asked us to stop

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it. But I feel that's, you know, just something like that, right?

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It's just, it can make a big difference with like a tiny, it didn't take us,

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it took us, what, 10 seconds to write a little message and stick it in a lunchbox.

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Put it on their mirror in the bathroom that they see when they wake up.

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Don't stop it. stop you know they're embarrassed at school i

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bet right god my dad put another note in

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my lunchbox oh lord but in

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the bathroom at home it's a safe space that's true

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that is true my daughter does love the bathroom she's like she's a

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competitive cheer athlete so she's in there a lot doing her makeup and

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hair and getting ready for competitions etc so yeah i

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think i'll do that and i do like the the the

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mindset of putting personal post-it notes as well deb um

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just for yourself because it's easy for us to get sucked into not feeling good

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about ourselves and just a reminder hey you know what you got up today and you

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made someone smile you know something like that i guess yeah those little tiny

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steps i talk about small steps all the time in my work but they're very important.

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For ourselves but the people we share them with

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too it takes you nothing to make a

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comment or say hey you're looking great today um

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i have been known if i see a woman with great

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shoes i'll say man i like your shoes where'd you get them those

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kind of thing i do it to strangers because i like her shoes and i want to know

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where she got them not afraid to talk to anybody about anything but it creates

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a moment of relationship with someone that sends them off towards a better day

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and it gives me an answer i wanted,

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Win-win. 100%. There's a really good YouTube channel.

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I'll try to find the link to that as well. And I'll send you.

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You'd really enjoy it, Deb, where people just drive by and they just shout out

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random compliments to strangers.

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Like say, hey, you, do you mind not being so handsome? Leave some for the rest

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of us and all that kind of stuff. It's just really nice. It's a really sweet.

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I would love to see that. Yes, please.

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So I will try to find that channel. I'll definitely send it over to you.

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And I think, yeah, that's a really nice, important message for question two.

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So I appreciate that, Deb.

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Thank you. I love your random generator.

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Well, speaking of random generator, let's have a look at question number three.

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And I'm curious about this one, knowing you as I do for the last few years.

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If you were asked to teach a class, question number three, what class would you teach?

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Okay, so work-related, I would teach how to fill empty buildings.

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It's something I'm asked about often. I've done a TEDx on it.

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I work with entrepreneurs and one of the things that they're great at is we

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want to get them out of their basements and garages into a small booth where

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they can test and try their idea out.

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And if you follow it directly.

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When you start small, that's an opportunity. So say I'm doing woodworking and

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making cool things. I am not going to go from my basement directly to an empty building. I'm just not.

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I mean, because that's $100,000 for the building and another $100,000 to fix it up.

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And it's insane the amount of money that you need to start a business in a brick and mortar building.

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And you haven't even built your market. You don't know if you have a product that people want.

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So taking small steps along the way is all that part of how to fill an empty building.

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And small towns are great at this because they have a lot of events and fairs

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and festivals where vendors can set up and sell their wares and try things out.

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So that's another small step. And then if you've found, hey,

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this is really working and people like my product, maybe you can go into a building

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with three or four other people and have a shared building opportunity.

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So there's a small town, Washington, Iowa. They took it. It was an old J.C.

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Penney's department store.

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And it's filled with all different kinds of vendors.

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And they have small tables. One woman makes jewelry and she only has a small table.

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That's her spot. there's a bookstore at the back

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whole wall for books for kids and

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it looks like just a store when you walk in with all this cool stuff

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right but it's a group of people that are trying out their ideas and seeing

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what works and being able to grow and many of those people have gone on then

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to get their own building and create their own larger building can you tell

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i get excited about filling empty buildings, right?

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And it works in cities too. It's not just small towns. That's something that works everywhere.

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So I'd be happy to teach that kind of thing.

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And I have learned that sharing stories and talking about what other communities

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have done is a much more valuable teaching opportunity than just lecturing and saying,

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if you do this, then you got to do that, then you got to do that.

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And you have no examples. You have no proof it's real.

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Where if you're sharing a story and pictures and making it interesting to listen

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to, now you've got a class that people want to take and want to do something

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when they get out on their own.

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Well, it's interesting as well, you mentioned that it can be done in cities.

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I mean, obviously, small towns are a perfect environment because supportive,

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like people know each other and want to help each other succeed.

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And when I think of, say, similar examples in a city, I might think of like

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co-working experiences like office sharing opportunities like that.

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But when you mention, you know, almost like a craft fair, almost.

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But different businesses coming together, different small businesses coming

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together in an empty building and now creating almost like a mall, like a mini mall.

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Do you feel it's like, obviously you're a bit biased because you're such a passionate

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advocate for small towns,

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but do you feel small towns have more options to do what you're mentioning about

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coming together as opposed to larger cities where it's more expensive,

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maybe people less willing to take risks, etc.?

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So I lived in Chicago about 25 years, so I'm very familiar with living in large cities.

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And our circle of influence, which is the number of people that will come to

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your funeral, is usually between 100 and 150 people.

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So think of those 100 people, how many are friends, and it might be only 20

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that you can count as friends. Not close friends, but friends.

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What if you brought all those people together and say, hey, you know,

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I know about this empty building.

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Um what can we do that what kind

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of businesses could all of us participate in you're able

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to do that in a big city too because you

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have that many contacts and people you know so don't don't don't let the idea

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of big cities being cold at least in chicago chicago is a group of neighborhoods

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all it's really a bunch of small towns all connected um so depending on which area you live in,

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that's something you can easily do.

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I know the, um, the Korean people that I remember in Chicago,

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they sponsor each other to come over and start their own businesses.

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So they often have two or three people in a building learning how to run a business,

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you know, from people that have already come over here.

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And then when it's their turn, they contribute to bring somebody else back over. So, um.

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I used to do that. I was just at Ellis Island. My grandparents came through in 1922.

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And it was, wow, what an experience, Ellis Island in New York City.

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I got to stand where they stood when they got off that boat.

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And I got to see the ship manifest and their names and had this really cool feeling.

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And they were sponsored by a cousin out in Iowa.

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So a lot of the immigrants that came through, at least from Germany,

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had that same experience. Somebody sponsored them to come.

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You can do that kind of thing with the business, too, if you really think about it.

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And then make sure that business is an experience. It's not just a room full of things for sale.

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Make sure people have fun and can explore and try products.

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And if you're, my friend sells furniture for a living. He's got his own design

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business and furniture store.

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But he also, every Christmas time, teaches people how to make Christmas wreaths.

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And he does that class twice a year. And his class is always full.

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He does it in his store because he sells Christmas products.

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You know, and for $45, you get a wreath and you get a few products.

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And if you want to buy more products from him, you can. Or if you want to bring

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yours from home, you can do that too.

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That's an experience that store owners can do more of.

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Boy, I just really went on a tangent, didn't I? No, no. And this is what I love about this show.

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It's like it does go on different tangents because of the, you know,

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the questions that can arise that are generally not even attached to each other.

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So no, no, no, not at all. But it did make me think, and you kind of answered

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it there as well, about having the experience in these empty buildings that are now not empty.

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As a quick little bonus follow-up to that question, let's say you can put four

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small businesses or four local businesses into an empty building that really

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complement the whole experience to anybody that's visiting that building now.

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What four it doesn't have to be names just the kind of businesses I guess what

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four would you choose maybe to really offer something cool.

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So, tell me the name of the size of the town we're working in, in our imaginary town.

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All right, let's go with my little village, 800 families. So,

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what's that, 3,000 people on average, maybe? Okay, so 800 families.

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And how many other businesses do you have downtown?

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Do you have a downtown? Yeah, we don't really have a downtown.

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We've got a small little mini mart.

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We've got a little grocery store, like a local store, and then a little tiny

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little restaurant, and that's it.

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Okay. Do you have an empty building?

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We have the community hall, which is kind of... That's perfect. That's perfect.

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So we're in the holiday season right now, and you wouldn't start it right now.

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You'd start it for next year, right?

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So what's coming up? Valentine's Day.

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So let's use the community hall from the middle of January to the middle of February,

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every Friday and Saturday to give people to try out their ideas with product

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that is related to Valentine's Day.

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So you might want a hairdresser that also does nails and pedicures.

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You may wish to have clothing, someone that's making really cool clothing, either for men or women.

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Gift cards, that's another great one. Maybe an artist can be in there and one

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of their products is gift cards and they might be able to teach you how to make

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your own gift card. That's a little workshop they can do.

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And jewelry is always a big winner. Now, if you can find someone that's making jewelry, that's cool.

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Because they're making their own jewelry, right? And it's a one-of-a-kind thing.

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It's not mass-produced and it's not coming from China.

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It's coming from one of your neighbors that's doing cool things.

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Now, in your town, 800 people, there might be a high school student or two that

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have some ideas of what could go in there as well.

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And I would definitely talk to them and see how they'd want to be involved.

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I think you've just given me some plans for the local community center.

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That's awesome and i like the way that that you mentioned

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you it's all interconnected um and you're

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getting the people involved as well you're getting like the customers if you like

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involved because now you could have the person that makes the jewelry

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here's how you can make your own jewelry now you've got this like very

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custom design that's unique to you because you put your own little

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stamp on it um so i like that i like that

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a lot and and so i guess that the

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idea would be to to then continue building that so

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if you're thinking seasonal for example you could look what are do

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in the summer well there's a lake here so people go uh

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jet ski and they go kayak and they go um surfboard and stuff like that so i

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guess you can build a whole bunch of stuff around that as well to you know for

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once once the tourists and the cottagers start coming up to our little village

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you know in the warmer weather as well well you would probably need a bike repair shop,

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you might be able to convert that into renting out skis and toboggans and that

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kind of thing in the wintertime.

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And why couldn't you do that from your community center? Of course you could.

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Yep. I like, I might have to put you in touch with our local Lions group,

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Deb, and get them up to speed on all these cool plans.

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So I like that. I like that a lot. And that answered my question perfectly.

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So speaking of questions, let's have a look at question number four.

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Who is the most famous person you have met? Oh, good Lord.

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Met and talked to or just met? Both, if you wish, or either are.

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Up to you. Your question.

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Gosh, I don't pay attention to famous people, frankly. Um...

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I'm stuck. I'm never stuck. I'm trying to think of the director.

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I met a film director who, whoever it was that directed JFK was the movie he

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was working on at the time.

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We went to a rave in Chicago, sitting at the bar.

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And at the time I liked tequila. So I was drinking tequila.

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And before you drink it, you got to throw your salt over your shoulder first,

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right? And then you put it on your hand?

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So I'm sitting facing my husband and we're drinking shots of tequila and I'm

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throwing salt over my shoulder.

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The director was sitting next to me. He never said a word because he knew I

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was throwing salt on him over my shoulder.

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He finally turned around and said, hey, I'm so-and-so, nice to meet you.

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And I'm like, oh my God, I covered you in salt. And he just laughed.

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And then I turned back around because it was totally embarrassed.

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That's a fun story. I intend to have those.

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And that was, so JFK, I think, JFK, was that Oliver Stone?

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That's it. It's Oliver Stone, yep. So you're throwing salt on Oliver Stone.

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I was throwing salt on Oliver Stone at three o'clock in the morning in a rave bar.

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That is amazing. So there's so many questions there.

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I know, right? Like, A, what were you doing in a rave bar? B,

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what was Oliver Stone doing in a rave bar?

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And then I love the fact that he didn't react negatively.

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Because I guess when you've got that position of power and you're not used to

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people just being normal around you, I don't know, but I love the fact that

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he didn't react, he just says, hey, you know, it's all good it's all good,

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it's three o'clock, we're on a rave bar, we're having fun Yeah, he could have been a,

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real God, I can't say that word, a real asshole about it, there we go,

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that's as close as I'll get to swearing today, but he wasn't, but who knows?

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He might've been a little tipsy himself, right?

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At three o'clock in the morning in a rave bar. Well, yeah.

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So now I'm curious if he's ever, you know, I have to go through all his back

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catalogue from JFK onwards and see if there's any little tidbits there.

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You know, certainly a throwback to that time, you know, when I got salt thrown over. That's amazing.

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Like, not everybody's got a story like that. That's kind of cool.

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So what did your husband think?

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Did he say anything, you know, did you guys recognise Oliver Stone or was it

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just after him? Yeah, once he turned around, we knew who he was.

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Kevin didn't care. I'm sure he was giggling inside watching me do it every single

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time, waiting for the guy to turn around and turn into something, a madman, right?

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And that didn't happen. And my husband was as excited as I was to be in the

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realm of this famous person, right?

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And we never talked to him. That was an opportunity where I could have had a

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great conversation and I didn't do it.

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And normally I'm pretty good about talking to anybody about anything.

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So I kind of feel it's not a good story because I didn't do what I normally do and talk to him.

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Though I guess that could have been a bit different. I'm going to assume there

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was loud music when it would be in a rave.

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So the music, I've only been to one rave many, many years ago and it's very loud.

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I could have only assumed it was loud. Well, it was a private party,

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and we were invited by a friend.

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My husband sold cars and had some pretty famous customers, and we were invited

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by the owner of the car dealership.

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So it was louder music, of course, but not traditional rave music. It wasn't house music.

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And you really, you know, you were there to drink and dance, of which we did both.

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Yeah. So in that respect, mission accomplished. But yeah, I would have loved

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to have heard, you know, what possible conversation may have happened then.

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If you're a click in the morning, a few tequilas down with Oliver Stone.

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Could have been interesting.

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Well, if this show ever takes off superstar internationally,

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I will try to get him on and I will ask him that question. Hey,

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do you remember that time?

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Way back when, when you were doing JFK.

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Yep. I doubt if he does. But who knows, right? We'll get his version of the story. But I like that.

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That's definitely a famous person's story I've never heard before,

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obviously, for obvious reasons.

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So I like that a lot, Deb. I will keep that in mind.

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I've ever run a bar myself at that time of night and wondering who's behind me.

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But we're doing well here. We're reaching the end of the road almost for your

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time in the random question hot seat.

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So let's have a look and see what question number five is.

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I'm going to skip this one because we just had a drink question. Oh, but let me answer it.

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Let me answer it. Okay, you know what? Let's go. Let's answer it then. That's fine.

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Question number five, Deb. What is your favorite drink?

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I don't know if this is my favorite, but it's one I've always liked.

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And I learned about it in a little Greek island called Paros in the Cyclades area.

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So tequila, normally you drink it and follow it with lime and salt.

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And the bartender in this tiny, tiny island looks at me and he says,

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do you want to learn how to drink tequila the right way?

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And at the time, I was a bartender in Chicago, and I'm thinking I'm hot shit, right?

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That I should know how to do it the right way. Well, I learned in that environment

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how to do it the right way.

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So you take your tequila, and you take a slice of orange, and you put cinnamon on it.

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Drink your shot, bite into the orange and cinnamon. It's like a Jolly Rancher,

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like you've taken a bite out of a Jolly Rancher piece of candy.

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So now you have to go home and try that.

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Well, I do because, like yourself, I guess, prior to telling that just now,

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I always believed it was like a slice of lemon and the salt, right?

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So you took the, was it the salt and then the lemon?

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I can't remember the order. Yeah, salt first.

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Lick it off and then bite into the lime. Yeah. But orange and cinnamon.

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Yeah, because I would far prefer orange to a lemon.

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Any day of the week, every day of the week. Cinnamon. I do like cinnamon. in.

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So that would be an interesting experience.

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But I'm guessing the tequila's got to be nice too because you can get really harsh tequila.

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Yeah, no white tequila. It cannot be a white tequila.

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Generally that's your bar tequila, your low level tequila.

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But you know, Jose Crabbeau, Patron, those kind of tequilas.

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Okay, so you get the tequila, obviously, you've got just a slice of orange and

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then you just put like, what is that, like a sprinkle in it?

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Yeah, just a little sprinkle on it. You can take a pinch and put on it.

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And then you take the tequila first and then the fruit. Drink the shot,

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bite into the orange piece. Okay.

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And this gentleman that taught you how to do it in the Greek island, what's his background?

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Was he in the industry? Does he make tequila? What's his background?

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He was just a bartender. And it wasn't even the owner of the bar because I had

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asked to meet the owner because I was in the industry.

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Just a guy that bartended there, lived on the island. He was a local,

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which is important to note because a lot of tourists in small Greek islands, right?

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And just was a great conversational on the list. And we just had a really good time with him.

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I have no idea what he did during the day, but at night he bartended.

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And he passed out wisdom about how to drink tequila, which is obviously awesome.

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And funny thing, the reason I'm remembering this, I was coming back from New

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York and my seatmate is one of the, what's the word I'm looking for?

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Higher ups at Jose Cuervo Company.

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And I can't give out his name or position, but I was sharing that story with

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him. and he was on his way to Cape Town and he said, I can't wait to land because

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I'm going to have to try it.

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So I'm waiting to hear back to see if he's tried it yet.

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That's like the ultimate validation of the method, right? Yeah.

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You've got the high ups of like a world famous tequila, you know,

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distiller. Company, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

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So yeah, it'd be really bad. Not bad. It'd be disappointing maybe.

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I don't know. Maybe that's the wrong word. If he comes back and says, no, no, that was awful.

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Don't even contact me again I promise he won't say that I no longer drink but

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if you do have that opportunity I encourage you to try it not to get drunk but

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to try something different I will try that on New Year's Eve that tends to be

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the only time that I'll sort of have spirits is New Year's Eve,

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I'll try that, I'll raise a glass to your honor and I will let you know probably

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a few days after how it went But yeah, I will definitely try that.

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You know how to catch me, cause.

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Exactly. So Deb, as mentioned, appreciate your time on the random questions

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hot seat and being open with your answers and sharing some really cool,

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fun stories that I wasn't expecting, obviously.

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But this is only fair because I've put you in the hot seat for the last 30, 40 minutes or so.

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It is now time to hand over the question baton to you.

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So here's what I want to know from you. What advice would you give new podcasters

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that live in small towns in communities of under 5,000 people?

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Ooh. So funnily enough, there's a really big movement, I guess,

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if you want to call it that, for hyper local podcasting.

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So most podcasters or many podcasters are all like global.

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So you go for global audiences and you're trying to grow your show no matter

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what country the listener's in. But there's a lot of movement in the last 12

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months about hyper-local podcasting.

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So you create a podcast for your community, for your town, for your village, for your school even.

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You know, you get really niched then because you've got almost like a warm audience

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to start with because people want to know about, if I started a podcast about

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where I live now, for example,

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people might want to know or hear me talking to locals and how they came to live here.

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Have they always lived here? Were they like me? did they come afterwards um

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what was the mindset change if they did have to do that uh what's

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it like surviving in the winter because the winters here are brutal um

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so a lot of things like that and and they're really taking and picking up steam

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um and that if you get into that like real niche where it's somewhere that you

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know well and it could be a business could be a village like me it could be

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your local uh athletics community whatever it looks like, Deb.

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Like I say, you've already got a warm audience, so that can help you with the growth side.

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And you've always got topics to talk about because there's always,

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always, always something different happening that you can expand on.

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So you mentioned some great examples with the empty buildings, for example.

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So if there were, I mentioned the community hall earlier, if there was things

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going on in the community hall, can I speak to people that come in and that

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keep coming back each year to do craft shows and stuff like that?

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Why do they keep coming back?

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What's the and what do they think of the area, all the kind of stuff like that.

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So I guess, again, rambling, you just mentioned rambling there when you're on a tangent.

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I guess it would be go local and really...

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You know knuckle down onto the locality of where you are so if you're a a freshman in high school,

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what was the difference in moving from your comfort zone

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in elementary school to this new high school that's in a different area

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different kids and all that so there's a whole bunch of things like that i would

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say use the locality and use the people use their stories to build your own

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awareness and get local news you know people local businesses to be part of

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that to share why they invest in that village, why they invest in that town, that kind of thing.

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So I guess that would probably be where I'd maybe go for a local podcaster on a small town or village.

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So, and I want to know, do you, where can I tell my clients to learn more about

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you and to follow your podcast?

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Oh, well, now you're getting me to promote myself and it's not meant to be like that way, Deb.

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Oh, but I want to know. Yeah, yeah. For me, it's simple. I created a really

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custom, a straightforward custom URL.

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It's dannypod.com, D-A-N-N-Y-P-O-D.com. It's got all the cool stuff there.

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But that was a sneaky one that you got in there because I'm going to hold you

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to that as a sneaky booger.

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But yeah, great question. I love it. I always love talking podcast anyway,

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and I love the fact that you kept it local, which is great, which I'm not surprised

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about knowing you and your passion.

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So speaking of passion, Deb, I really enjoyed having you in the five random questions hot seat.

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Now it's my turn to get you to promote yourself. So for people that want to

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know more about what you do and how you do it for maybe their own small towns,

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etc., to find out more about your book or just connect with you,

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where's the best place to connect, follow you, buy the book, etc.

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A couple of places. The first place is at saveyour.town.

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So it's S-A-V-E-Y-O-U-R dot T-O-W-N, not dot com, dot town.

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And if you put a slash in the

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word sign up behind that you can sign up for a free

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email that we send out every week that talks about world

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challenges and different ways to address them my speaker site and where there's

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more info on my book is buildingpossibility.com exactly like it sounds buildingpossibility.com

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my email dev at savior.town please shoot me an email i like talking to people.

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Unless they're in a tequila bar at three o'clock in the morning when you

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just ignore them just throw salt on them instead but that's

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awesome i will be sure to leave the links to those in the show notes as

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always so whatever rap you're listening to this episode on or if you're listening

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to on the website just check out the show notes as usual and the links will

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be there for both deb speaking and deb's community site as well the small business

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site so i get small towns not small business my bad my bad we almost got through

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without a fluff and i had to mess it up right at the end there.

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So again, Deb, I really appreciate you coming on five random questions today. Thank you very much.

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You.